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Old 06-02-2010, 06:13 PM
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I would take a deep breath and count to 10 before buying a 'cheap' USB input as the ones I have tried were utter crap. I have always used PCI cards when I had my small home studio but recently went over to Laptops
The Rock Frog I sold on after an hours use. I bought a cheap £20.00 guitar interface and again resold it within minutes.
Then I got a Line 6 GX unit bundled with Riff Works and POD Farm (line 6 software)
It is an excellent unit that can be used as your system soundcard. Setup is simple and the POD Farm emulation and effects are very good and it has near zero latency.
The Riff Works is brilliant for playing along with a drummer or metronome and you can record riffs to it directly in superb quality. You notice a marked difference when you render them to wavs.
I use mine all the time through my hi-fi and I am at the moment without an amp or cab as this sounds so much better.

(just add that my hi-fi is basically a Sony Super Legato Direct Drive Amp and a Pair of Castle Floorstanders that were £800.00 in 1994)

Certainly worth £59.00
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Old 09-02-2010, 01:56 PM
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Ken, you can buy any of those interfaces I actually own both (the rock frog and the cheapie black one) and they work perfectly fine with no problems.

I've recorded with both using Ubuntu Studio. There are a couple of samples I did pretty quick for my Aria GT5 review.

http://www.finnbass.com/showthread.php?t=4512

There is a nice trick I've been using since a couple of months ago, if you have Windows 7:

- using any of those USB interfaces
- Download "Express Scribe" it's for free.

And you have an actual practice station in which you can slowdown music without changing the pitch. Or if you are studying a new method you can use it in conjuction with your PC CD player as it redirects all your pc sound to the USB device.

I can do the same with Linux too.

Hope this helps.
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Old 09-02-2010, 02:19 PM
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Many thanks for that, Richard - useful info indeed. Those sound samples are very encouraging.

I've just checked out "Express Scribe" and I see that it's available in a Mac OSX version too - it'll work on any version of OSX, even on an old PowerPC machine like mine. Excellent stuff. Ta!
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Old 09-02-2010, 02:38 PM
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I use something a bit more sophisticated, because I am, and gadgety, because I am. Tascam US-428 - not just A-D and D-A converters but also a control surface - ie. you can use it like a tape transport and mixer to control Cubase and a few other programs. Rather like a portastudio where the menial work of actually recording is handed off to some drudge machine. They're now available for £50 or so off That Ebay, which is an absolute bargain.
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Old 09-02-2010, 02:56 PM
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I use something a bit more sophisticated, because I am, and gadgety, because I am. Tascam US-428 - not just A-D and D-A converters but also a control surface - ie. you can use it like a tape transport and mixer to control Cubase and a few other programs. Rather like a portastudio where the menial work of actually recording is handed off to some drudge machine. They're now available for £50 or so off That Ebay, which is an absolute bargain.
Now that sounds like a piece of kit WORTH spending half a ton on. As for your sophistication, Mr. T - did you really think we hadn't noticed? Cocktails on the verandah as usual, then? We can discuss the potency of cheap music and you can show me your gadgets.
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Trace Elliot VA350/GP11
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Old 09-02-2010, 05:49 PM
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I use something a bit more sophisticated, because I am, and gadgety, because I am. Tascam US-428 - not just A-D and D-A converters but also a control surface - ie. you can use it like a tape transport and mixer to control Cubase and a few other programs. Rather like a portastudio where the menial work of actually recording is handed off to some drudge machine. They're now available for £50 or so off That Ebay, which is an absolute bargain.
Ah, I had one of those for a short while and it's very fussy on the USB chipset installed on your 'pooter - it flatly refused to work with a desktop that had (IIRC) a Texas Instruments USB chipset, but worked fine on a laptop.

Worth doing some research on compatibility before you leap Kenrod.

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Worth doing some research on compatibility before you leap Kenrod.
Cheers Thumps. Fortunately in this instance the device I've bought (just waiting for it to arrive) is a simple inline USB thang, so chipset compatibility shouldn't be an issue. Nothing fancy, but I think it'll be good enough to suit m'needs:

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Trace Elliot VA350/GP11
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Old 09-02-2010, 06:02 PM
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Cheers Thumps. Fortunately in this instance the device I've bought (just waiting for it to arrive) is a simple inline USB thang, so chipset compatibility shouldn't be an issue. Nothing fancy, but I think it'll be good enough to suit m'needs:

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Ooooh let me know how it turns out mate as I'd like to try that with my Deadringer BD121 - currently getting some great results running that through my aging laptop soundcard into Audacity. The latency's a bit of a bummer but easily correctable "after the fact".

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Steve I run that with Windows 7 and I have no latency at all. Having said that I have not tried to record with it. Those sound samples were recorded using Ardour in Ubuntu Studio which has no latency because they use an improved kernel.

I think you can get great results, I have tried it with mine and the sound is really good.
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Old 11-02-2010, 02:47 PM
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It arrived yesterday, which was a total surprise! The seller had despatched it even before paying my cheque into his account.

So how did I get on with it? Read on...

Mac G4 tower / OSX Panther 10.3.9

Initially, I had some problems. The drivers and software supplied with it are purely Windows-specific, so there was nothing to be done but plug it into my trusty old G4 and see what happened...

In true Mac fashion, the OS immediately recognized what it was and I was able to select it as a USB audio input device, but I couldn't arrange for live monitoring to be fed back through to its headphone socket, and when I did achieve some kind of live play-through on my speakers, the latency was too long to allow for proper as-you-play monitoring.

HOWEVER, these issues were not the fault of the unit itself. They were entirely to do with the slightly bonkers way my ancient Mac G4 and its Panther installation handles audio throughput. That's a long story and I won't bore you with the details of it.

Fortunately, today I managed to find a cure. I got hold of an old, Panther-friendly version of the freeware app called "LineIn":

Current version of LineIn (OSX 10.4and above)

Older versions (OSX 10.3 and before)


This has solved ALL of the above problems. With this app running, I can now monitor on headphones plugged into the unit itself, or monitor on speakers using the Mac's analogue audio line output, and the latency has been reduced to a much more usable level: not zero by any means, but quick enough not to fuck with your head while you're playing: it's a bit like a very fast slap-back echo.

Using this setup and Audacity, I have just recorded this sound sample - me playing the intro to "Don't Play That Song To Me" on my Ovation Magnum. The Magnum has a big, deep, rolling timbre, and I think you will agree that this tonal quality comes through very nicely on the recording. I would say that it's a very accurate representation of how this bass sounds.

The only thing I can't do with it - and again, I must stress that this is a foible of my old Mac - is adjust the input recording level. This is a shame, as the unit's instrument input appears to be surprisingly insensitive (the above sample had to be normalized to -1dB using Audacity, and it required about 15dB of boost to reach that level ). The unit's input has a 2-position sensitivity switch and an LED which warns you of clipping, but even when using an active bass I had to have the switch set to high sensitivity and no matter how hard I played, there was never the slightest chance of making that LED flash. I suspect that the manufacturer has set the sensitivity deliberately low in order to cope with geetar loonies who have a rack full of FX and boost pedals. If it was more sensitive, I'm sure that my recordings would have much better signal-to-noise than the sample above.

Windows XP on an ACER Aspire 5100 Laptop

I loaded the supplied ASIO drivers, set the latencies according to the instructions and installed the free version of "Guitar Rig 2.2" that came with it. Interestingly, this was the only piece of software on the machine that would recognize it as an audio input device. None of my other recording programs could see it at all, including Audacity.

Headphone monitoring worked fine and latency was very low - virtually instant. However, the signal coming from the unit suffered from random pops and crackles which made a clean recording impossible. I didn't bother going much further with it from there, as I was tired and unwilling to fight with it any longer!

So that's about it. IMHO the device does what it says on the tin. Now that I've found an app that enables fast-ish play-thru monitoring, it works very happily with my 10-year-old G4 machine. With a more up-to-date machine and OS, I'm sure it would work even better. My only quibble is with its apparently low input sensitivity - but even that could turn out to be a software issue.
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Dean Stylist Archtop w/ John Birch Magnum II pups
Trace Elliot VA350/GP11
Peavey TB Raxx pre-amp
Korg DTR-2 tuner

2 x BFM Omni 10.5 crossfire cabs loaded with Beta10s - courtesy of THUMPER

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